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		<title>By: bags030404</title>
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		<dc:creator>bags030404</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That’s your opinion (and a theory) but hardly a fact. Those particular statistics by themselves only show a small percentage of the picture and do not make your opinion a fact, that’s all I’m saying. It’s a bit pompous of you to post your opinion as fact, though I admit it is your right.&quot;
Forgive me if I came across as pompous, but I am a numbers kind of a guy! Numbers do not lie! and in the case of MBIII and when he is better suited to be used is no different! It is a proven fact that when he carries the ball less than 15 times per game his yards per carry increase by almost a full yard per carry! This is not a &quot;Theory&quot; this is &quot;Fact&quot;! I love having these types of discussions so keep them coming! By all means if you have some information that can prove me wrong bring it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That’s your opinion (and a theory) but hardly a fact. Those particular statistics by themselves only show a small percentage of the picture and do not make your opinion a fact, that’s all I’m saying. It’s a bit pompous of you to post your opinion as fact, though I admit it is your right.&#8221;<br />
Forgive me if I came across as pompous, but I am a numbers kind of a guy! Numbers do not lie! and in the case of MBIII and when he is better suited to be used is no different! It is a proven fact that when he carries the ball less than 15 times per game his yards per carry increase by almost a full yard per carry! This is not a &#8220;Theory&#8221; this is &#8220;Fact&#8221;! I love having these types of discussions so keep them coming! By all means if you have some information that can prove me wrong bring it!</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
		<link>http://dallascowboysnation.com/2009/06/rushing-to-greatness/comment-page-1/#comment-826</link>
		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t understand what you are reading, bags.

bags030404:  I never said anywhere in this article that “Marion can only play the finisher role!” 
&lt;i&gt; I never said that you said that.  You did say though that &quot;“We are all aware of the fact that Marion is better suited to be fresh in the fourth quarter!”.&quot;
That&#039;s your opinion (and a theory) but hardly a fact.  Those particular statistics by themselves only show a small percentage of the picture and do not make your opinion a fact, that&#039;s all I&#039;m saying.  It&#039;s a bit pompous of you to post your opinion as fact, though I admit it is your right.  Blogs are well sutied for personal opinions and observations.  I&#039;m glad you have some passion about it and will continue to read more of your opinions in the future cause I love talking Cowboys.&lt;/i&gt;

bags030404:  there was a little guy named TC and he had zero problems finding the holes that the OL opened! 
&lt;i&gt;Yes he did very well, but notice these were in later games.  It was my contention that the OL under performed in the MIDDLE OF THE SEASON (October\November as stated).  Choice had all of 20ish attempts in those months so your statement has nothing to do with my point.  We just don&#039;t know what MB3 would&#039;ve done in December if he was healthy so it&#039;s moot.
On the subject of Choice though, since you brought it up, my opinion is that the verdict is still out.  He had a great December, but I seem to remember Julius Jones having a decent season in there before slipping into mediocrity.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t understand what you are reading, bags.</p>
<p>bags030404:  I never said anywhere in this article that “Marion can only play the finisher role!”<br />
<i> I never said that you said that.  You did say though that &#8220;“We are all aware of the fact that Marion is better suited to be fresh in the fourth quarter!”.&#8221;<br />
That&#8217;s your opinion (and a theory) but hardly a fact.  Those particular statistics by themselves only show a small percentage of the picture and do not make your opinion a fact, that&#8217;s all I&#8217;m saying.  It&#8217;s a bit pompous of you to post your opinion as fact, though I admit it is your right.  Blogs are well sutied for personal opinions and observations.  I&#8217;m glad you have some passion about it and will continue to read more of your opinions in the future cause I love talking Cowboys.</i></p>
<p>bags030404:  there was a little guy named TC and he had zero problems finding the holes that the OL opened!<br />
<i>Yes he did very well, but notice these were in later games.  It was my contention that the OL under performed in the MIDDLE OF THE SEASON (October\November as stated).  Choice had all of 20ish attempts in those months so your statement has nothing to do with my point.  We just don&#8217;t know what MB3 would&#8217;ve done in December if he was healthy so it&#8217;s moot.<br />
On the subject of Choice though, since you brought it up, my opinion is that the verdict is still out.  He had a great December, but I seem to remember Julius Jones having a decent season in there before slipping into mediocrity.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Doran Palmer</title>
		<link>http://dallascowboysnation.com/2009/06/rushing-to-greatness/comment-page-1/#comment-794</link>
		<dc:creator>Doran Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, there&#039;s one fact about MBIII that proves that he is better suited as a closer in most capacities - his first year as a starter and he suffered two injuries that hampered for the final quarter of the season. Injuries being what they are, you can&#039;t say for sure that 5they were caused by the extra carries and his bruising style, but it&#039;s a good bet and one the Cowboys likely won&#039;t flirt with again.

Another fact - he made the Pro Bowl as the closer but not as the starter. It&#039;s not a definite ideal since Pro Bowl voting can be fickle at times.

The numbers you posted seem to indicate that he was more successful in the closer role because his yards per carry were higher, his total yards were higher, and he had more TDs. Factors such as injuries and the passing game/quarterback play do factor into it, of course, but you have to take everything as a package. 2008 showed that Barber is more effective as a closer.

As for the O-Line, you are close to being right about Kosier. Kosier missed most of the season. The running game got better when Holland was in there, but when Proctor was in there, Adams and Gurode were both helping him keep his blocks which diminished their own production and in turn hurt the running lanes.

Barber is a good back, he gets the job done. He isn&#039;t a home run hitter by any means, though. To me, MBIII is better suited as a fullback because he is tough, has a strong running style, and he can block very well. An NFL team can still utilize a fullback in today&#039;s league and if we did so as the early 90&#039;s Cowboys, then we could see similar success with Jones and Choice to what Emmett saw back then with Moose blocking for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, there&#8217;s one fact about MBIII that proves that he is better suited as a closer in most capacities &#8211; his first year as a starter and he suffered two injuries that hampered for the final quarter of the season. Injuries being what they are, you can&#8217;t say for sure that 5they were caused by the extra carries and his bruising style, but it&#8217;s a good bet and one the Cowboys likely won&#8217;t flirt with again.</p>
<p>Another fact &#8211; he made the Pro Bowl as the closer but not as the starter. It&#8217;s not a definite ideal since Pro Bowl voting can be fickle at times.</p>
<p>The numbers you posted seem to indicate that he was more successful in the closer role because his yards per carry were higher, his total yards were higher, and he had more TDs. Factors such as injuries and the passing game/quarterback play do factor into it, of course, but you have to take everything as a package. 2008 showed that Barber is more effective as a closer.</p>
<p>As for the O-Line, you are close to being right about Kosier. Kosier missed most of the season. The running game got better when Holland was in there, but when Proctor was in there, Adams and Gurode were both helping him keep his blocks which diminished their own production and in turn hurt the running lanes.</p>
<p>Barber is a good back, he gets the job done. He isn&#8217;t a home run hitter by any means, though. To me, MBIII is better suited as a fullback because he is tough, has a strong running style, and he can block very well. An NFL team can still utilize a fullback in today&#8217;s league and if we did so as the early 90&#8242;s Cowboys, then we could see similar success with Jones and Choice to what Emmett saw back then with Moose blocking for him.</p>
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		<title>By: bags030404</title>
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		<dc:creator>bags030404</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luis, while I would love to completely agree with your assessment I cannot fully agree. The O-Line was better as a whole, but what made them better in my humble opinion is that the offense as whole was dedicated to the run! They did not run just because the situation called for it! They ran because they wanted to! This line has taken a good bit of criticism and while some of it is warranted a lot of it is not. This line is HUGE one of if not the biggest in football, and big o -linemen are built for the running game, not to hold a block for what seems like 10 minutes so a receiver can run a triple move 40 yards down field!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luis, while I would love to completely agree with your assessment I cannot fully agree. The O-Line was better as a whole, but what made them better in my humble opinion is that the offense as whole was dedicated to the run! They did not run just because the situation called for it! They ran because they wanted to! This line has taken a good bit of criticism and while some of it is warranted a lot of it is not. This line is HUGE one of if not the biggest in football, and big o -linemen are built for the running game, not to hold a block for what seems like 10 minutes so a receiver can run a triple move 40 yards down field!</p>
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		<title>By: bags030404</title>
		<link>http://dallascowboysnation.com/2009/06/rushing-to-greatness/comment-page-1/#comment-791</link>
		<dc:creator>bags030404</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said anywhere in this article that &quot;Marion can only play the finisher role!&quot; I simply said that he is better suited for being in there and fresh in the 4th Q! It is not a knock against him! In fact it is a compliment! Do you not want your most punishing and polished RB in there to close out a game? I hate to bust your bubble again but the numbers you are using to prove your statement are the exact reason why he needs to be fresh for the 4th Q! Do you remember Julius Jones? Yes that guy played here and he started and MBIII made a name for himself and received a huge contract for closing out games! Do you remember the playoff loss to the Giants, when he rushed for over a hundred in the first half of his first start, only to be visibly worn down in the second half and the dominant rush attack from the first half was non existent? I am not saying that it is a &quot;theory&quot; that MBIII would be better suited for the closer role, it is fact and has been proven time and time again! Just in case you missed those games last year against the really tough defenses, there was a little guy named TC and he had zero problems finding the holes that the OL opened! We will save the OLine discussion for another day though, maybe my next post will be about that! Good idea Eric thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said anywhere in this article that &#8220;Marion can only play the finisher role!&#8221; I simply said that he is better suited for being in there and fresh in the 4th Q! It is not a knock against him! In fact it is a compliment! Do you not want your most punishing and polished RB in there to close out a game? I hate to bust your bubble again but the numbers you are using to prove your statement are the exact reason why he needs to be fresh for the 4th Q! Do you remember Julius Jones? Yes that guy played here and he started and MBIII made a name for himself and received a huge contract for closing out games! Do you remember the playoff loss to the Giants, when he rushed for over a hundred in the first half of his first start, only to be visibly worn down in the second half and the dominant rush attack from the first half was non existent? I am not saying that it is a &#8220;theory&#8221; that MBIII would be better suited for the closer role, it is fact and has been proven time and time again! Just in case you missed those games last year against the really tough defenses, there was a little guy named TC and he had zero problems finding the holes that the OL opened! We will save the OLine discussion for another day though, maybe my next post will be about that! Good idea Eric thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“In the “finisher role”
16 games played.. 204 attempts for 975 yards and 10 TDs

Last year as a starter
15 games played (several which he played injured)… 238 attempts for 885 and 7 TDs &lt;/i&gt;

Do not believe this info prooves your point that &quot;we are all aware of the fact that Marion is better suited to be fresh in the fourth quarter!&quot;.  It&#039;s no where as simple as that.  

You forget that:
They played 3 games with Brad Johnson as QB.  Defenses were playing the run for these game.   Looking at the first 5 games of the season, before Romo&#039;s injury, he was averaging 4.12 yards a carry, and had 5 TDs.   The next game Romo got injured.  And the next few games (TB, Giants, and Skins) he did have a decline while defenses keyed on the run.  Shortly after he got injured.  He tried to play injured against some very tough defenses late in the season and it really dragged down his &quot;yards per carry&quot; stat.  Still he had 7 TDs and only 90 less yards than the year before.  
I&#039;ll add too that I believe that the OL under-performed in middle part of the season.  Just my opinion.. but just didn&#039;t seem like they were doing very well in creating holes for the run in Oct\Nov (because Kosier was out?)

So, my point is that you can&#039;t really say that the stats above clearly show that &quot;15 carries a game&quot; is where he &quot;NEEDS to be&quot;, and that &quot;better suited to be fresh in the fourth quarter!&quot;.  

I defintely agree with you that I&#039;d rather them split the carries up and use all 3 backs (in any order that works).  My reasoning though is that they have 3 good RBs, so they might as well use them all to keep them all fresh and the defenses off balance.     My reasoning ISN&#039;T that MB3 cannot handle the load and can only be most successful as a &quot;finisher&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“In the “finisher role”<br />
16 games played.. 204 attempts for 975 yards and 10 TDs</p>
<p>Last year as a starter<br />
15 games played (several which he played injured)… 238 attempts for 885 and 7 TDs </i></p>
<p>Do not believe this info prooves your point that &#8220;we are all aware of the fact that Marion is better suited to be fresh in the fourth quarter!&#8221;.  It&#8217;s no where as simple as that.  </p>
<p>You forget that:<br />
They played 3 games with Brad Johnson as QB.  Defenses were playing the run for these game.   Looking at the first 5 games of the season, before Romo&#8217;s injury, he was averaging 4.12 yards a carry, and had 5 TDs.   The next game Romo got injured.  And the next few games (TB, Giants, and Skins) he did have a decline while defenses keyed on the run.  Shortly after he got injured.  He tried to play injured against some very tough defenses late in the season and it really dragged down his &#8220;yards per carry&#8221; stat.  Still he had 7 TDs and only 90 less yards than the year before.<br />
I&#8217;ll add too that I believe that the OL under-performed in middle part of the season.  Just my opinion.. but just didn&#8217;t seem like they were doing very well in creating holes for the run in Oct\Nov (because Kosier was out?)</p>
<p>So, my point is that you can&#8217;t really say that the stats above clearly show that &#8220;15 carries a game&#8221; is where he &#8220;NEEDS to be&#8221;, and that &#8220;better suited to be fresh in the fourth quarter!&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I defintely agree with you that I&#8217;d rather them split the carries up and use all 3 backs (in any order that works).  My reasoning though is that they have 3 good RBs, so they might as well use them all to keep them all fresh and the defenses off balance.     My reasoning ISN&#8217;T that MB3 cannot handle the load and can only be most successful as a &#8220;finisher&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, the 90&#039;s teams had way more power on the unit that counts more in a run oriented offense: O-Line. Emmit was able to touch the ball 20+ times because he was barely untouched until 2.45 yards after the line of scrimmage. And consistently. This trio don&#039;t have that. That is what worries me. Forget T.O., Roy Williams bust or not, Romo and Jessica. The O-Line Needs to be a powerhouse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, the 90&#8242;s teams had way more power on the unit that counts more in a run oriented offense: O-Line. Emmit was able to touch the ball 20+ times because he was barely untouched until 2.45 yards after the line of scrimmage. And consistently. This trio don&#8217;t have that. That is what worries me. Forget T.O., Roy Williams bust or not, Romo and Jessica. The O-Line Needs to be a powerhouse.</p>
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		<title>By: bags030404</title>
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		<dc:creator>bags030404</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Essentially you proved my point! you used some very good information to prove it too!


&lt;blockquote&gt; &quot;In the &quot;finisher role&quot;
16 games played.. 204 attempts for 975 yards and 10 TDs

Last year as a starter
15 games played (several which he played injured)... 238 attempts for 885 and 7 TDs  &lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you will look at that in one less game in which he averaged 3 more carries per game he scored 3 less TD&#039;s and 90 less yards and his YPG went from 4.78 p/g down to 3.7 p/g!
I am not saying he cannot be a starter, what I am saying is that about 15 carries a game is where he needs to be. I would rather have him fresh and ready to deliver 8-10 of those carries when it counts most!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Essentially you proved my point! you used some very good information to prove it too!</p>
<blockquote><p> &#8220;In the &#8220;finisher role&#8221;<br />
16 games played.. 204 attempts for 975 yards and 10 TDs</p>
<p>Last year as a starter<br />
15 games played (several which he played injured)&#8230; 238 attempts for 885 and 7 TDs  </p></blockquote>
<p>If you will look at that in one less game in which he averaged 3 more carries per game he scored 3 less TD&#8217;s and 90 less yards and his YPG went from 4.78 p/g down to 3.7 p/g!<br />
I am not saying he cannot be a starter, what I am saying is that about 15 carries a game is where he needs to be. I would rather have him fresh and ready to deliver 8-10 of those carries when it counts most!</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with most of what you are saying.  MB3 and Felix should get the bulk of the carries, but all should be utilized and they should be unpredictable with the order.  Go with whoever has the hot hand and play on the opposition&#039;s expectations.

The only thing I disagree with is your statement &quot;we are all aware of the fact that Marion is better suited to be fresh in the fourth quarter!&quot;.   I don&#039;t agree.  I think he can be solid when ever he plays.  I wouldn&#039;t be opposed to starting MB3, and using Tashard Choice in the cleanup roll.  (I wouldn&#039;t be opposed to TC starting and MB3 finishing either.)

His numbers are comparable in both roles..
In the &quot;finisher role&quot;
16 games played.. 204 attempts for 975 yards and 10 TDs

Last year as a starter
15 games played (several which he played injured)... 238 attempts for 885 and 7 TDs    


My point is that MB3 is a solid back who runs hard and tough and can be used anytime.  He may or may not be a &quot;full time back&quot;, but I don&#039;t think he HAS to be with the 3 guys the Cowboys have.  And I don&#039;t buy that he is best used only in the configuration from 2007 (Julius Jones starting and MB3 finishing).    


Also Felix Jones doesn&#039;t really have an injury history so I wouldn&#039;t be a worry wart or be overly concerned about his &quot;ability to stay off the injured list&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of what you are saying.  MB3 and Felix should get the bulk of the carries, but all should be utilized and they should be unpredictable with the order.  Go with whoever has the hot hand and play on the opposition&#8217;s expectations.</p>
<p>The only thing I disagree with is your statement &#8220;we are all aware of the fact that Marion is better suited to be fresh in the fourth quarter!&#8221;.   I don&#8217;t agree.  I think he can be solid when ever he plays.  I wouldn&#8217;t be opposed to starting MB3, and using Tashard Choice in the cleanup roll.  (I wouldn&#8217;t be opposed to TC starting and MB3 finishing either.)</p>
<p>His numbers are comparable in both roles..<br />
In the &#8220;finisher role&#8221;<br />
16 games played.. 204 attempts for 975 yards and 10 TDs</p>
<p>Last year as a starter<br />
15 games played (several which he played injured)&#8230; 238 attempts for 885 and 7 TDs    </p>
<p>My point is that MB3 is a solid back who runs hard and tough and can be used anytime.  He may or may not be a &#8220;full time back&#8221;, but I don&#8217;t think he HAS to be with the 3 guys the Cowboys have.  And I don&#8217;t buy that he is best used only in the configuration from 2007 (Julius Jones starting and MB3 finishing).    </p>
<p>Also Felix Jones doesn&#8217;t really have an injury history so I wouldn&#8217;t be a worry wart or be overly concerned about his &#8220;ability to stay off the injured list&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree with you more in regards to the failings of following set numbers to distribute the ball to each RB.  The situation should dictate what player is ideal.  Jason Garrett should tailor his running game for each opposing team, dependent on what type of defense they are facing, what their weaknesses and strengths are, and what has worked against them in the past when playing other teams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more in regards to the failings of following set numbers to distribute the ball to each RB.  The situation should dictate what player is ideal.  Jason Garrett should tailor his running game for each opposing team, dependent on what type of defense they are facing, what their weaknesses and strengths are, and what has worked against them in the past when playing other teams.</p>
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